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Kevin Still's avatar

The challenge is when people INSIDE the community cannot handle the polemic: all those die-hard metal-heads who won't accept that Enslaved is now more prog than black metal even as they still hold trve kvlt black metal in the mix. We're all here because we love Enslaved and have shared experience "related to the past" of their "framework"! Calm down that I'm allowing them to progress! Community still has to practice connection.

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That's very helpful. I'll be heading over to part 2 in a minute, if nothing interferes, and will comment more thoroughly after I see the conclusion. But I wanted to point out one thing here, you say that the error of gnostics or legalists is incomplete or eroded truth, but it seems to me that it is much more an issue of addition to the truth.

The Pharisees had the Promise given to Abraham plus their lawkeeping. The Gnostics, if we are talking Marcionites were something similar. Valentinian gnosticism is such a mess that I am not sure what to say about it. But I think that based on the Prophets, the Polemic is usually against an addition, as the addition of Baal to the worship of Jehovah.

I think that this insight is relevant to our world. It is against, for example, the addition of Ultra Social Justice preached in the Social Gospel and its children against the divine Social Justice of the Gospel that we must fight. It is always against the addition of our righteousness to the complete righteousness of Christ that we strive.

I really liked your point about the need for polemics to be preceded by the preaching of the Gospel. I will have to think about it. I can see the opposite point that the Law must kill before the Gospel can raise the dead, that Jeremiah must teardown, uproot, and destroy before he can build and plant.(think his calling is in chapter 5 but I am too lazy to look) I sort of find in my own ministry that the Gospel of Grace is offensive enough on its own and so I lean, slightly, to your view.

Also, I really enjoyed finding another preacher who reads and appreciates Sun Tzu(and it looks like the Griffith translation too!), although I would point out Tsao Tsao's comment on the subject of death ground that when it is time for battle the boats should be burned and the cookware smashed, to in effect create the death ground situation for our own side so that they will fight to the fullest. And the converse that the enemy should always be left a route of escape from death ground so that they will flee rather than fight.

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